My point is a rather modest one: the question of Gods existence is not settledone way or the otheron the basis of the kind of evidence-based knowledge that modern western culture (rightly) embraces to help us explain many, many things around us. Ed, these posts are certainly charging you up. He was after all, our first RC President. If the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ does exist, watch out. Also, be sure to read the book rather than a blurb to see what I am after. http://www.al-islam.org/tradition-myrobalan-fruit-hadith-al-halila-imam-jafar-al-sadiq/hadith. I think there is a model there where the subjective, but real experience of God is the starting point for understanding the perceptual equipment, which will help us to acknowledge the existence of a real Being that makes the subjective states or experiences real. read the whole Chicago Statement aloud to his cat, Marmalade. . 3 He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; I like your emphasis here. Read article the other day that said they refused to accept myth as fact. At the same time, I was taking philosophy and religion courses and was drawn to finding ways to explain my ongoing relationship/wrestling match with God-Jesus-Spirit. Thanks for this post. A few years ago David Benners Spirituality and the Awakening Self: The Sacred Journey of Transformationwas very helpful in pushing me to look at the God question differently at a time when I was ready to hear it. Youve concisely and clearly explained the way I understand my faith and conviction in the existence of God. I'm an author and biblical scholar. Instead, it should be understood as participation in the mystery of the transformational journey toward union with God in love. I mean, I continue to wonder about such questions after leaving Evangelicalism. Some people live with more uncertainty than you do. While specific sins against a particular God, prophet, holy book, holy place, or sacrament, are as diverse as could be. not be confused with experience. Dr. Peter Enns (PhD, Harvard University) is Abram S. Clemens professor of Biblical Studies at Eastern University, St. Davids, PA. I think the proper locus of religious conviction can help one find meaning in a religion better than help one find a religion. But I also think youre using the language of evidence in a very stale, limited manner. Academically, I graduated from Messiah College in 1982 (Behavior Science), WTS in 1989 (MDiv), and Harvard University in 1994 (PhD, Near Eastern Languages and Civilizations). . 4 And there is none **like** unto Him. Faced with the incoherence of a fundamentalist/evangelical reaction to modernity, I have no problem accepting Pascals Wager and embracing your mystical/existential explanation. Great Value. Which may be revealed when two people have mutually incompatible direct perceptions in these experiences. [pp. The Bible (NT and OT) both contain stories of humans having doubt while also trusting God (Elijah, Peter, Thomas, hell, all of them for that matter). [1] 2 Peter 1:15 and following say For we did not follow cunningly devised fables when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of His majesty. Bravo for that! It is no more Western and modern than the Greek-named constellations are ancient and Greek or the Arabic-named stars are Medieval and Arab. Perhaps even the characteristics on the other-way-of-knowing list are not beyond study. Without discounting all those wonderful things, I do not think that the God question is settled this way. It is transrational. Yet since these experiences come across as transcendent many put a higher truth value on them than anything else in life. Your explanation, though a bit slippery to grab with my hands, is similar to some of my conclusions, though none have given me their answer. Magic is not real. That is a blessing from God. The question Is God real? is equal to the question Is magic real?. But one alternative is to have a church, mosque, and a Jewish, Buddhist and Hindu temple, close together on every corner with no ones sign larger or higher than the rest, to remind ourselves we can indeed all truly get along. I get that I cant prove or disprove God or any God or really anything non-material thats at least logically consistent. and Ph.D. Harvard University As is knowledge of Heavenly Father. There are surely myriad of ways of knowing God In the provIsIons that are avaIlable to each one of us, As one is riding the Starlight Express propelled through time experiencing mAturity, old Age And deAth. Thanks for this insight. Lese Exodus for Normal People: A Guide to the Storyand History of the Second Book of the Bible gratis von Peter Enns Verfgbar als Hrbuch Jetzt 14 Tage gratis testen. There is no external mention of the writing until Origen in the 3rd century. Maybe even online? . the way is the path of becoming a new person because one is allowing God to lead you in a sense. Peter Enns, Ph.D. Peter Enns Abram S. Clemens Professor of Biblical Studies 610-341-1491 McInnis 200B penns@eastern.edu Dr. Enns is a biblical scholar who teaches and writes on Old Testament, New Testament, Second Temple Judaism, and the intersection of biblical studies and contemporary Christian faith. (Isnt this another example of a way of knowing?). Perhaps its ones urge for drinking mothers milk when one is first born (who gave you a mother? One of the things about the Western way of knowing is that it isnt really a Western way of knowing. Indeed, it is a way of knowing that has been championed as part of the development of culture in the Western tradition, but to pigeon hole the method as somehow distinctively Western is to lose something about its universality in a universe that significantly appears to exhibit fundamental uniformity. I would never ever suggest this is a unique property of Xty. I realize that there is a long and rich history of discussion over difficult philosophical issues concerning the existence of God. What I have noticed especially in connection with your point about knowing God outside of our default rationalism, Pete, is that both as a church and as individual Christians in the West, we find it difficult knowing how to spend time in silence, or in solitude, away from our faith projects or church systems. For example, parents do this when talking of their children. R'eyes via Compfight Peter Enns is the master at creating blog titles that are both clever and provocative. We go crazy in solitary confinement, when stranded on an island, when lost in the wilderness solo. There are great books written by the likes of Brennan Manning on trusting God and there are great books written on eschatology (Jurgen Moltmann, N. T. Wright, etc) about Gods salvation extending from the ends of the earth. As long as the genes replicate, its worked. He has written or edited over a dozen books and many articles and essays. Peter Eric Enns (born January 2, 1961) is an American Biblical scholar and theologian. that Christians suffer like everyone else. This wont be solved in a blog post, but heres basically where I am with all this believing in God businessin under 800 words. I am not embarrassed by it at all. I count it a great privilege to help students keep their horizons in front of them and come to know God better on their life-journey. And even ones blindness to this And lAck of understanding the necessity of grAtitude for thAt Is not a barricade to the reality of the creator of ones flesh & spirit. Probably a different version of God I would presume. I find cultural differences to be fascinating and rich sources in discovering what is possible within the human experience. As for your books title, The Sin of Certainty, you seem pretty certain that sin exists, though I suspect humans dont really need thatll added theological term since it seems more like a metaphor for any selfish behavior people of all religions or none already view in a negative fashion. Reason and sagacity cannot visualise Him. Ive spent a lot of time thinking about subjectivity, hermeneutics, revelation, and Jesus as mediator (in the sense that Jesus is the medium through which God is known does the Spirit now occupy that space? ), but its also important in a much deeper way. In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful. Previously he was a Senior Fellow of . It is in this context, that Christianity, for me, is a profound disappointment. Piper argues that God's judgments are just and shouldn't be questioned. But if he gets a response in morse, he doesnt need to empirically see whats on the other side to begin the process of knowing the other side. 14 Tage gratis - jederzeit kndbar | Lies & hre unbegrenzt | Groe Auswahl an neuen Bchern | 9/10 lesen mehr mit Nextory | Fr Buchliebhaber . And it is worth noting that my list is subjective too. Wonder of breathing and wonder of stars and wonder of babies are indeed wonders. Matthew 13:52. Enns' view is that the Bible is essentially a human collection (s) of different stories (by different authors/editors) that have a common reference to "God". Their work involves moving from the phenomenon through the perceptual equipment to the physical biology that makes subjective states objectively real. I agree that post-enlightenment empiricism is never going to lead to genuine interaction with the creator, but what about prayer? From this, I have a question for you; isnt it also completely reasonable (and rational) to look at the fruits of other peoples experience to see that their belief and faith are grounded in the truth? Just trust in Him. We would then be wise to doubt the veracity of our own sight. Yep. Rather, knowledge of God is described by terms like: immediacy Honestly and looking ahead, my mind is more centered on the significance of the sixth extinction, climate change, the forth-coming dissipation of petroleum energy, a huge human population, limited supply of fresh water for all, and need for compassion for and collaboration with others to existentially address all this. Evidence based knowledge may not be necessary for a person to believe in God, but it sure would be handy when it comes to rival claims about God between people in different religions, denominations and mystical sects, not to mention between various schools of non-religious philosophical theists, agnostics and atheists. But by putting these experiences on the table and sharing them, we can say some objective things about them. Outside of his academic work Enns is a contributor to HuffPost and Patheos. And I also can grok the paradoxical Essence of a Triune God, the kind of God allowing himself to be humbled and broken in kenotic sacrifice as an example of a new Way of Being, in hope of bringing forth a Kingdom. In recent years, Pete has become well known for several highly popular books, including How the Bible Actually Works, The Bible Tells Me So, and the book we discussed with him today: The Sin of Certainty. How do you know more of what God prefers more than Franklin Graham or Mennonites? As is knowledge of the Theotokos. Personally, I talk to God, make intercession, and he orchestrates reality beyond the sphere of my influence or capability to manipulate the results. I am committed to encouraging young Christian men and women to explore their faith by engaging Scripture, and in so doing make their faith their own and mature as followers of Christ. Do you know many others like yourselves? . Rule out experience and youre forcing yourself into mysticism. And whether that link between what you perceive or experience and reality is as strong as you think. I think the Mystics have something important to say. Does God exist? I know others mileage may vary. According to Enns, when Paul spoke about Adam, he was not communicating actual history (though Paul believed that he was), rather, he was highlighting an important theological fact (the universal sinfulness of man), employing the most foundational biblical idiom available to him (Enns 2012, p. 142). The Christian scriptures are clear that we can indeed experience God if we respond to Him when He calls us. Regardless of Paul's (faulty, through no fault of his own) view of human origins, three very important elements remain in his theology, despite the acceptance of evolution: 1. Hi Pete, Living with uncertainty is a relative thing. Now to consider these values a bit, we can exercise some examples. 2020 Peter Danner. Tweets at @peteenns. Only if he means it in the wooden empiricist sense. I suspect it is because they are not comfortable with any other way of knowing. How could God (if He does exist) reject anyone who was honestly searching? . Another mans spiritual experience cannot be denied. And we can also look at those experiences, and see if there is an element of illusion about them. This is why I read your blog, Pete! First, let me say that I hold to the position that without faith one cannot please God His words, not mine. Government, College of Arts and Sciences/Public Policy, Jeb E. Brooks School of Public Policy. Then once that person starts walking with God God (should) will reveal the truth to them. Id take the liberty of summarizing that your belief in God, to the extent you do, is based on faith, not fact. Interesting Beau, thanks. How do you know these are HIS words? The more I learn about the cosmos and humanitys journey of understanding it, the more the term evidence seems to be an oxymoron. What religion, denomination, sect or cult doesnt seek to also inculcate an acceptance of mystery and paradox?. Peter Enns is Abram S. Clemens Professor of Biblical Studies at Eastern University, St. Davids, Pennsylvania. But our access to the world of the Spirit is made possible by the existence of our own spirit. On what basis is God still an option for you?. That is what He did for me over 50 years ago. Call it a transcendental trust like Thoreau had, or like John Hick in our own day. One of the things Ive yet to see in Dr Enns and other Evangelicals take up of evolution is a robust address of its implications to thinking. Anyhow, as I have stated before I respect your thoughts and journey, but I do not think it has to be every doubters Journey. As we do for so many other experiences and perceptions deeply subjective in nature. Israelite history; Old Testament and ancient Near East; Old Testament theology; biblical theology; wisdom literature; Second Temple Judaism and the New Testament. Peter Enns (Ph.D., Harvard University) is Abram S. Clemens professor of biblical studies at Eastern University in St. Davids, Pennsylvania. And there are also periods of painful disillusionment and depression that look like withdrawal symptoms that even Christians suffer after at least partially self-Inducing and sustaining a high on Jesus for years. Per the books blurb, The Sin of Certainty models an acceptance of mystery and paradox that all believers can follow and why God prefers this path because it is only this way by which we can become mature disciples who truly trust God.. He has taught courses at several other institutions including Harvard University, Fuller Theological Seminary, and Princeton Theological Seminary. Proceeding ahead and remixing words just a bit, Thinking one can prove or disprove the existence of *any* God through rational analysis is to apply to *any* God a wrong way of knowing.. Enns is a frequent contributor to journals and encyclopedias and is the author of several . Bringing people together seems easier when their differences are not discussed. But you can deny that my experience reflects actual motion in reality. . It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, where "'the worms that eat them do not die, and the fire is not quenched.' Peter K. Enns. Also check out The Inner Eye of Love by a Jesuit named William Johnson, or try books by Dom Bede Griffiths, a fellow convert with C. S. Lewis but who spent his life in India dialoguing with people of other religions. You use the word sin in your title; I havent read your book, but I hope that in the discussion in the book you avoid much use of the term. As a United Methodist, part of how I articulate this is in the language of experience (1 part of what Albert Outler named the Wesleyan quadrilateral). As claimed, the Incarnation passed through our material and human existence. Some have thought it to be evasiveness. There can be various degrees of certainty, of course. When people insist that the Apostles Creed is where you have to start, its no wonder that you wind up with some people who dont believe in God and other people who dont believe in the World. There are multiple (a lot!) In opposition to this you may place the fruits of others and their understanding of God. Here might be some: Healing, forgiveness, graciousness, redemption, justice, protection, universality. By some measure, through Jesus of Nazareth and the ensuing religion of Christianity, a longing has been fulfilled; there has been great participation. In fact, there are now around two billion adherents to the faith. All this is to say, I am not ready to leave the hope and realism of modernity behind yet, but if I do it wont be atheism. It loads making sure we hold the correct beliefs with too much weight; we then shore up our set of beliefs in a fortress of impregnability, making them the source of our trust and so-called certainty rather trusting in the living God. Graciousness to Americans and more? immediacy. The Quran Chapter 112, Things are compound elements atoms etc, made of parts. I would encourage you to ask God to show you His truth from His book. Or the mega church movement, to try and get and sustain even a greater Jesus high. Objectively and factually so. transrational "what Genesis says about Adam and the consequences of his actions does not seem to line up with the universal picture that Paul paints in Romans and 1 Corinthians []. It was first proposed by the unorthodox church Father, Origen (ca. The Bible does not say Flood was universal (55). Id rather live today in the western world than at any other time in human history. This emphasis on experience is important at a simple, direct level (participating in corporate worship, daily prayer, seeing/hearing God in others, etc. The western way of knowing privileges the observation and analysis/testingofexternal evidence by knowledgable, experienced, and educated people who make arguments and defend them. I also would want to point out that the Christian religion has to do with a person named Jesus (as christians we believe this Jesus is still transforming lives and hes on the loose), in other words it is not just a simple have faith or belief The Christian faith is a living trust that Jesus Christ (messiah) will rescue (has will in the future) the world for a global renewal (earth and heaven). This is the third post in a series on how God speaks to us in Scripture, following a discussion on what the early church fathers believed about how that process happened and Kenton Sparks' adoptionist proposal of a sacred "broken" Bible.. . Some come by more rational means, others emotional, others mystical, Who am I, or you, to say any one way is the right way. We dont know how to break down the ideologies of our false identities or how to welcome others with conflicting ideologies or identities. including the high rate of depression and dropping out among pastors (sure theres always plenty to take their place but look at the turnover! Frank Schaeffer is an interesting fellow, son of the Apologist Francis Schaeffer, and co-founder with his dad and other prominent Evangelicals in the 1970s of Americas Religious Right and also the Right to Life Movement. Talk of a vibrant Christian faith seems overblown. For those who hold the view that the Bible contains an ever-expanding revelation of the truth and knowledge of God from beginning to end, what is to be taken away from your article? 3. ~ Jackson Browne. What do you think of people like George Mller? Im not sure the world would be a better place if more people thought like me, though do you mind if I out this on my resume? This way of knowing, too, is a pluralistic way of knowing and can be reflected upon both with and without special pleading. Here's where the money is going! Im familiar with various concepts of God. So if you want to write a book that really speaks about accepting uncertainty you have not done so. These "ancient, ambiguous, and. However, as my 5th grade social studies book (circa ~1958) commented on Islam, Muslims converted North Africa at the edge of the sword. JFK probably did not comment much on his Catholicism because at that time there remained a significant amount of anti-Catholic bigotry in our country. Evidence presented to our reasoning faculties is one way of knowing, not the only way, which is obvious. I think it is safe to say that much of my academic journey has been a process of synthesizing these (and other) influences in my life. And what religion, denomination, sect or cult doesnt seek to inculcate a sense of trust and intimacy toward its depictions of God, holy prophets or holy writings? Pages turning I also think such proper locus can help one find meaning, less in understanding reality and more, in creating or otherwise affecting reality. One of the hallmarks of progressive Christianity is a rejection of biblical sexuality, and an affirmation of same-sex marriage and premarital sex. Good point. Perhaps agreat offense to many of us in the modern world is thatGod is not known in the way we are used to knowing many other thingswhich is a hard pill to swallow if youre committed to evidence-based knowing as the only path forward. As if chosen by God to tell people who should be a christian based on their concerns regarding the bible. (Ive blogged on Benner several times, for examplehere. Now as to whether what the historical eyewitness claims he experienced is a real supernatural phenomenon well that is where faith comes in. This is a dangerous and unbiblical attitude. At Eastern Since 2012. Biblical scholar and author Dr. Peter Enns will be in Lynchburg for a series of "Evolution Weekend" events February 15-16, joining with many other such efforts nationwide under the umbrella of the Clergy Letter Project.. To conclude, I'd like to quote Enns one more time. 2 Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; Fideism is a rich and credible approach to knowing God. Pete is a well-known bible scholar and is the Abram S. Clemens professor of Bible Studies at Eastern University in Pennsylvania. Introduction to the Old Testament; Introduction to the New Testament; Biblical Hermeneutics; Israelite History and Historiography; Hebrew Prophets; Romans in Context; Genesis in Context; Research Methods in Biblical Studies; From Conquest to Exile; Wisdom and Psalms; Science and the Bible; Torah. I only presume that peoples experiences of God are a mixed bag that lay along a very wide spectrum. And I also can grok the paradoxical Essence of a Triune God, the kind of God allowing himself to be humbled and broken in kenotic sacrifice as an example of a new Way of Being, in hope of bringing forth a Kingdom. But I see no reason to believe that Jesus of Nazareth has been, is, or will be the means of grace or hope of glory. You cannot relate to it if you dont have a little one of your own. Which I think is the case, but I dont want to speak for Ed. Or at least you have come near enough to listen and understand much of what Frank has to say. As an admittedly poor psychology major in college, I was particularly fascinated with neurology and how humans process and interpret information/stimuli. Lets not let a label lead us toward an equivocation. How sure are you that those are eyewitness accounts. 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